Richard. Lacquer and varnish are film-forming top coats used to protect and add luster to wood, and are typically applied over stain after it's dry. Thank you so much for your great site. Southern California patio — lots of rain this year. Now 15 years later the stain in the wood seems to be fading. Spar marine varnish can require several coats, with several hours in between each one to allow it to dry completely before the next coat. I’m glad google had it in the top 5 line items!!!! Generally-speaking, my preferred outdoor varnish would be a long-oil varnish made with tung oil and at least some phenolic resins and UV inhibitors. That is all I used and it looked great! So you’ll have to move around a bit and selective sand certain areas to keep things even. I like Danish Oil for workbenches. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. But there are lots of new woodworkers out there who haven’t seen all the episodes. We have a very active dog and I’ve heard maritime spar varnish can protect against scratches. Marine varnish is also known as spar varnish. This is specifically formulated for marine exposure and generally contains phenolic and alkyd resin, as well as Tung oil for its components. I seem to get a longer lasting application if I put a bit of stain in the spar varnish, as well as a bit of Penetrol. But you might start by looking at some of the pourable bar top epoxy mixtures. A note on spar: Bob Flexner has stated several times that household spar varnishes typically have very little in the way of UV inhibitors. There is so much conflicting information as to the best covering for the job. I’m a scout leader from Queensland Australia. I’m getting ready to install my exterior siding (1×6 t&g pine) and want to leave the wood clear but protected. Bridget. Or consider using a cover to protect them from the elements. The chairs have discolored as well. Bottom line — need water/mold/moisture protection. Spar Varnish soaks into the wood to keep the fibers in the wood from drying out. Thank you so very much! There are many clear wood finishes on today’s market. I have a formula that would consist of equal parts of boiled linseed oil,good turpentine,and gloss varnish. Is the product harmful. Oh Great Woodwhisperer… Oil/varnish blends are nice one furniture and medium to low-wear projects. I know many folks who use varnish on their musical instruments, so it should do quite well. I would like to put spar varnish on it but I cannot do a lot of sanding on the veneer. The more I read about my project the more confused I become! An excellent spar varnish is McCloskey Man O' War Marine Spar Varnish. I am now on to recoating my house back deck. Nearly all modern varnish contains a few basic components: oil, resin, and a solvent. Do you think that would be the best product for the bathroom window trim? However, it also needs UV protection. I guess I will try it and let you know. UV light can be particularly damaging to exposed wood. I bought 3/4 inch marine-grade plyboard that won’t bend or peel or decompose over time. The door is still in excellent condition but want to revarnish and protect the door now since the Hot Texas weather is coming very soon. Thank you Marc for all the information. The painters explanation was that VOC rules in Arizona only allowed him to use crappy varnish. And the best method of putting varnish or other finish as an overcoat back on it that would not yellow? . Good info. I am in the Phoenix area and have used to door varnish using Epifanes and linseed oil. We are building a Water Wheel – would you recommend Epifanes for a pond with fish. Thanks, What do you think I should use? The research I have done has only turned up one inhibitor compound and that is pigment. I’ve seen some remark that cloudiness occurs when using multiple coats of satin. I’d appreciate your thoughts on Sapele? While polyurethane is a synthetic material, tung oil stain is organic and made from the pressed seed extract of the tung tree. Its a good idea to completely remove the old finish either by stripping or sanding, and then reapply your stain and your new finish. Thank you. I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. Are these products/techniques appropriate for floors? How To Paddle A Kayak – Strokes & Techniques Explained. Manufacturers will typically just a few drops of the inhibitors to a vat of finish. The primary reasons that this type is better for outdoor wood is that it remains flexible over time, it has additional alkyd resins for UV stability, and it is more flexible. After all, a higher quality oil should equate to a higher quality varnish, and thus a higher price tag. My favorite way to do it is using Festool’s Platin abrasive pads lubricated with some mineral spirits. I looked up “Epifanes” on the net and found out it’s a manufacturer’s name that makes several coating products. Sylke. Polyurethane finishes are essentially liquid plastic coatings that harden. Does the Epifanes clear varnish contain UV inhibitors? Hi Greg. Claude, They’ve really cut back their woodworking content over the past couple of weeks. Pro Tip: Spar marine varnish may require more coats than the spar urethane in order to gain the best results and durability levels, which can take longer, so patience may be needed. But if you want that type of finish, you don’t have many options. What is your suggestion on what I should use? Solvents – Mineral Spirits, Naptha, or Paint Thinner. What would you recommend here? Now comes the important question… Would spar varnish be a good option for finishing my bamboo bike? They should all repel moisture effectively. I had a professional refinish them and the job only lasted one season. My question is would this be better to use verses a polyurethane finish? My deck faces east and is in the sun until early afternoon. The reply to your question would be the same. My conundrum is that I don’t want to hang the shutters unfinished for a year on my house. The main difference between the two is spar varnish will eventually chip or chalk off over time, while spar urethane will maintain a hard, shiny surface. I’m installing new board and batton shutters on my house. The appearance of the finished varnished surface can vary depending on the type of varnish you choose, either gloss or satin. The Conclusion section of the article shows you the produce I recommend. So I can’t really comment on the Circa 1850 product. The MAJOR difference between the two is that Spar Urethane stays on the surface of the wood and acts like a shell. Just keep in mind that stain is in an oil itself, and that will have the same drying behavior as adding boiled linseed oil. 3. Waterlox, a tung oil is what we are using on our Ikea butcher block, it comes highly recommended. Its lower cost makes it the most practical choice for both indoor and outdoor formulations. You might also consider sealing with CPES (Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer), then coating with Epifanes. Thank you for your help. Only use oxalic acid if you have discoloration to deal with. I’m looking to coat walnut for use as a bathroom countertop, so I’m thinking I will do 3-4 coats of thinned varnish. I appreciate your expertise! Will the clear varnish produce a shine or satin look? Thanks. This is going to take time and patience. I think you’re on the right track Tracy. I plan on using the Epifanes clear varnish which is a high gloss and I’m not sure I want such a high lustre finish. Probably just to thin it out and make it easier to work with. Advice on that process using the unfinished 1 x 4’s or is there a way to paint the pressure treated shutters sooner than a year? Sealed it with Minwax natural sealer and poured an epoxy on it. So if the wood absorbs moisture, the finish will expand and contract with the wood and won’t crack. The product I use is Epifanes Clear Varnish. how to make your own outdoor oil/varnish blend, http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....MOKFZYIR6T, http://www.rockler.com/product.....;sid=AFN86, http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....op-finish/, http://www.oldhouseguy.com/my_restoration, http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....yurethane/. Thinning 50/50 for each coat? It gets splashed with water and the paint keeps coming off. That’s a good way to keep a fairly natural look without compromising completely on protection. Currently, I am using a water-base stain on Ash and I am thinking about trying Spar varnish to finish it. Also it is used mostly on siding, and may not be a good product on brightwork that must resist abrasion and get reasonably hard within a couple of days.. Well if the piece will be stored inside and you don’t like the look of a thick film, I see no reason to go with a thick varnish product. Hi Marc, I’m working on building a small deck for a whitewater raft and im wondering if using epoxy is necessary or maybe overkill. Thanks for your advice! I put one coat of primer over it before painting the scenes with Sherwin Williams’ exterior latex paint (can’t remember the name of it but it’s very thick). What happens if SPAR VARNISH is applied over SHELLAC ? We are going for a mid century wood look everywhere with red oak paneling on the walls. The spar varnish I’ve been using recommends at least three coats 8hrs apart for outdoor use, I would recommend at least that many for a lasting finish. Any suggestions for a door that is in pretty much direct sunlight because all our huge trees have died. Polyurethane finish features a few downsides because it cures, sets and rises more slowly than spar urethane that could dry in a matter of minutes. We’re putting in maritime pine flooring and would very much appreciate your advice on spar/ varnish. But the oil content in the mix results in a finish that is a little softer and doesn’t quite build as quickly or as thick as you would want on a floor. Hi, I have 22 exterior doors that bake in the Arizona sun. I am refinishing an old church pew for use as seating on our deck. We are new to being home owning and therefore DIY. :) Amazon would likely get you close to the lowest price. Would it be possible to fill in the gaps with spar varnish? Apply using a natural-bristle brush. Restoring an old house and one of the bathrooms is on the old back porch even to include the old back porch light receptacle. I do see that Epifanes carries a matte but notes it has yellowing in it, is it as drastic as an amber shellac? For now, I’d say use the stuff that gives the look you want. You can always give them a few extra coats of a marine varnish if you like. This is why I can’t pursue the easier option of just buying a new seat! I’m not sure which would be the best varnish for me to complete the project with. I just added balsa wood trim to my kitchen cabinets. And if you want everything to look consistent, its a good idea to sand everything consistently. I live in Georgia, so heat, rain, humidity in the summer is common. Many thanks. I’d just keep it consistent and stick with the Cabot. Thanks so much. These are finishes that usually aren’t available to people like us primarily because they aren’t safe to work with unless you have proper ventilation and a spray booth. I want something that will ward off the water. This table will be stored outside 100% of the time. Happened upon your article, we are about to start a huge project, refinishing original fir-wood floors in the 1924 house we just purchased. I need to confirm which product to use. The SDR on the horizontal surfaces exposed to sun and snow turned gray and started to crack this year so I resanded and reapplied the SDR. I am just looking for a tint of color without losing the transparency. If you think the spar would serve our purposes, do you think we can just scuff sand the semi-gloss water based poly, clean, and then apply the spar? Additionally since the stain seems to be fading I would like to tint the varnish. Copyright © 2006-2020 The Wood Whisperer Inc. Will that be able to resists some sun and sweating drinks? It is semi-thick, tends to flow off brushes nicely, imparts a warm amber color to surfaces, and is easy to re-apply over old varnish providing that the old varnish is not too badly degraded. Spar Varnish vs Urethane: What Is Best For Marine Wood? I heard it scratches more easily, but not noticed it myself. Lacquer and varnish are glossy coatings that are applied over wood and other surfaces, to have a protective covering that also looks aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn’t count on any film finish to fill the cracks though. Thxxxx j9, Well if you don’t an amber hue, your options are fairly limited. Considering using something indoor/outdoor use and epiphane varnish seems to be the answer…any insight? Am I crazy to think that Epifanes could be applied to help resist moisture and UV rays? Though it doesn’t get a lot of sunlight, I anticipate a lot of heat changes. Or should I just apply all polyurethane and then some paste wax (. Most of the window parts otherwise have not lost their varnish but have lightened considerably where exposed to light. One of the primary reasons for using such a finish (“spar” finishes)is to protect wood. Would that be a good product to use? I am at a total loss as to what to do with this beautiful table. Very new to all of this, and I have some questions. But with a protective layer of spar varnish over it, I am sure it will endure quite a bit of abuse. Here is the kicker- we have three large dogs that we are certain will continuously punish the floors in our new home. Varnish is made from oils and resin. Why is that? Hey Alex. There are several primary differences between spar varnish and polyurethane that set the two distinct classes apart from one another. It was coated with some type of varnish which is now yellowed and peeling. If the surface gets stained or discolored, I often use a sharp cabinet scraper to scrap and clean the surface in preparation for more mineral oil. I am replacing wooden planks on my 1959 gmc truck with oak planks truck is garaged 90% of the time only go’s out for shows or cruzin would like to have high gloss finish but more import is protection of the wooden planks in bed.help new at this i am in so cal lots of sun like all old truck beds they do shift and flex. Jamestown has a product called Circa 1850 Exterior varnish marine grade at $48.45 per gallon. The first one-part, high-gloss marine spar varnish that can be rapidly recoated without sanding between coats. . I would like to use the plain 1 x 4’s and properly seal them without yellowing. 4. Right now it’s too matte, and it needs gloss. I have a similar problem with a cedar picnic table, although I had coated it with polyurethane. hmm… something I know nothing about. http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....MOKFZYIR6T, Thank you very much for your response. That’s correct Germain. If not, you could wind up with some variability between the old and new finish. I assume that one needs to first remove the epoxy coat. But I think it’s more of a diminishing returns thing. Thank you. Original_Spar-varnish-on-wood-close-up_4x3 Lacquer I have considered the “splintering” method of filling the gaps, but wondered what you thought of using a quality spar varnish? Epifanes is a good option yes. or any other ideas? I have also read about another spar varnish called Penofin…any advice will be much appreciated! Also, I heard pine sucks up a lot of varnish so do you recommend using a pre conditioner like the Cold CPES epoxy? But it doesn’t seem that any of these questions are getting answered. Hi, Your answer is right in the article above in the Conclusion. Varnish. I had a friend years ago that used what I supposed was a clear linear polyurethane wood ‘varnish’ on his boat’s brightwork, and he claimed it was a 10 year coating. Also, the door gets the full western sun in Alabama. Now if you should be able to get all the varnish off without damaging the paint, you’re best bet is to get away from oil-based finishes all together. General Finishes Exterior 450 is certainly one option: http://www.rockler.com/product.....;sid=AFN86. Hi, Great page… think you may be just the expert I was looking for. I’ve heard man o war spar varnish is excellent for shutters. I live in a very wet environment. I don’t mind buying some if they are truly needed. . thanks. For instance, Minwax (Helmsman) Spar Varnish shows 3% pigments and 1.6% Ethyl-vinyl acetate by weight. Any advice you can give will be much appreciated. And the name “spar varnish” comes from the boating world, where the long wooden poles that support the sails are know as spars. I use birch plywood and either paint with exterior semi-gloss paint or stain. Material Safety Data Sheet. I ask because the house is in the middle of the woods in a remote location and the gaps are collecting insects and serving as a place for insects to rear offspring. Now a stripper isn’t a bad idea at all. Its the nature of an oil-based product. None of the finishes have lasted very long (especially the water based.) Would I still use Epifanes or does this have an amber color to the clear? Thank you I finish furniture, and flooring is a different beast. Very sad. Do I lightly sand between coats? Historical work had put waterproof wall materials on what are old tongue and groove walls. Will you impressions sitting on a spar varnished outdoor chair? It will be exposed to shower spray frequently. Sincerely, Walker. Spar urethane comes in different finishes, including high gloss, semi-gloss and satin, which can allow you to choose the most suitable one for your needs. I’ve got another question too. But its probably worth trying out, since if its meant for boats, it should probably work well on a stall. In order to protect your wooden vessel or accessories from the damaging effects of water, it can often be necessary to apply some sort of coating to act as a barrier. We’ve drilled the holes for the ropes and now we need to varnish it. You can intentionally rough up the surface with some sandpaper, which will give you a matte look but a surface that isn’t quite so slippery. Karen. While both spar varnish and spar urethane are similar products with similar consistency, one difference that sets the two aside is the fact that spar urethane takes longer than a spar varnish to set. We do not use spar varnish on furniture. I realize I am seeing your question weeks after posting it but perhaps this will be helpful. This article was inspired by a question from K Sanchez who writes: “What is the the difference between spar varnish and regular varnish?”. Epifanes: http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....MOKFZYIR6T, Great! Things to bear in mind: 1) I’m an average Joe, not a DIY expert and 2) just to back up point 1, I can’t remove the seat. These are materials I just don’t work with since most of my furniture is for interior use. If you are finishing wood with a natural or stained appearance today, you’re likely using some kind of varnish or polyurethane. And the harsher your conditions, the more maintenance it will require. And the name “spar varnish” comes from the boating world, where the long wooden poles that support the sails are know as spars. I would like to use CPES as a primer before a few coats of Epifanes Rapid Coat but need instructions as to the prep as it is already varnished with (I’m assuming) several coats. I know this is outside your wheelhouse but wondered if you’ve even heard of anything related? I prefer clear finishes and wanted to know your thoughts on using Epifanes or something else you would suggest. I absolutely love the look and want to be sure I preserve it, as well as the wrap-around porch posts (8″x8″ rough sawn) and railings. I have built stairs and seating benches out of redwood for my outside deck. Ahh, i see now. We raise and show dogs, thus, many piddle mistakes. I did check for asbestos. Thanks, Jeanie. They tend to look yellow or orange on lighter colored woods. I have a beautiful custom designed/painted bench which sits outdoors. 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